sumansk
12-21 05:44 PM
Hello Pappu,
I have written this article on the plight of Work visa holders.Feel free to make editions.
Here it is..
Rewards of Being a Legal Immigrant!
The spirit of this nation had always been to award hard working and law abiding people irrespective of their color, race, culture or origin. But off late there has been a rise in the anti-immigration sentiment. One reason for this is an alarming rise in the illegal immigrants in United States estimated to be around 12 million. This has led many to believe that immigrants in general are not good for the already settled (Permanent residents and Citizens) Americans and they depress economy and put burden on the economy. This is a false notion harbored by many and needs analysis. First of all there is a vast difference between a legal and an illegal immigrant. A legal immigrant or people living temporary are here to help this nation make progress and are here to contribute to the economy of this nation. They have come here on the specific request by the companies; universities and other organizations. They are unnecessarily being victimized for their status as part of the larger immigrant community. They are the most misunderstood community today among the immigrants in general.
The temporary visitors largely are H-1 B, L-1 and Business visa holders .Many of these people are here for many years and waiting for their Green Card after having applied for it. While they continue to work for the same employer waiting for their permanent residency, they feel stagnated in their career path, salaries and even on personal development front because the law does not permit them to change employer while their green card is under process. If they do change then the whole process will have to start afresh.
As one frustrated and depressed work visa holder, Rajneesh puts it ?The plight of an immigrant can only be understood by those who are in the same shoes?. A legal immigrant who is in USA is only here on invitation by the US based companies or organizations willing to legally sponsor them for reasons that they do not have enough skilled professionals to do the job. The fate of being a person waiting in queue for a Green Card was never dreamt by me unless I was a victim of such a wait myself. The whole life revolves around waiting for just one card called green card. All the life?s plans are shelved off for some future dates. Many of them wait for settlement as they fear that buying a home or property or starting their own company may be at risk if their green Card is not approved or if they are out of status and in that case they may have to leave the country. There is a constant fear lurking in their psyche that what if they are laid off when they are waiting for their visa dates to become current so that they can apply for adjustment of status. Their dependent wives cannot work legally as law does not permit them to work while on dependent visa. These in many cases have resulted in domestic violence and depressed spouses resulting in disturbed and broken families.The spouses of these legal temporary residents stay at home and feel frustrated as they are also highly educated and can tremendously contribute to the development of the nation if given an opportunity. They feel choked as they have to plan well ahead in time for visits to home country and have to keep themselves abreast with latest immigration laws and by laws. A lack of this planning and understanding has resulted in many being denied entry while trying to re-enter. There are so many issues that they have to deal with being a temporary resident here just because they chose to come to America in search of realizing the American Dream. Most of them feel as if they made a wrong decision having come to America. This has sent a negative feedback in their native countries that America is no longer a welcoming nation for temporary work visa holders and one may have to wait up to more than ten years to get permanent residency. This feedback has turned many potential high tech and software professionals elsewhere. The current wait time in Canada and Australia is less than a year. European nations are also becoming a very welcoming society for these people. So the competition to secure them is getting hot.
While the wait becomes long the anxiety and depression starts to sets in most of the cases. Many have therefore already left this country and this is a drain on the economy as they are now a part of other nation?s economic development. Many of this class of people were educated in United States and were contributing but the immigration laws have forced them to go elsewhere. This class of people have advanced degrees from either US or other countries and have an average work experience of more than 3 years.They form the top class professionals among the populatoin and their loss is a loss to this nation.America is land of opportunity and for those willing to work hard for a better future should be rewarded and taken care of, but it seems there is no one listening right now to their voice. The spirit of America seems to be getting lost somewhere.
There are organization and groups like NumbersUSA who oppose any increase in their visa numbers which can drastically help these victims of bureaucracy, but due to their short sightedness they fail to see that the same people whom they are opposed to will help increase the economic well being of this nation once they become permanent residents. This is so because once they get permanent residency, they all will move up in the ladder demanding higher salaries and thus supporting the proponents of anti-immigrants view point. Right now they are all stuck in the same state for years. This may in some case lead to their exploitation which may in fact depress wages. Their short-sightedness, misinformation and vague propaganda have created an atmosphere where the na?ve public fails to understand the difference between the real benefactors and illegal immigrants. This has led public develop an overall anti-immigrant sentient.
Presently there is a bill pending in Senate called the SKIL bill (S.2691) introduced by senator John Cornyn (TX) Co-sponsored by George Allen (R, VA), Wayne Allard (CO), Bennett Robert (UT) and others. There is another related bill introduced by John Shadegg (AZ).This bill seeks to increase the annual visa caps for Immigrants visa under Employment category, exempt students who earned masters in USA, Allows to apply for Adjustment of Status even though there may not be immediate available Visa numbers. The bill is intended to secure the American competitiveness in 21st century while countries like India, China, Australia and European countries compete for skilled man power in Software and high tech sector to secure their competitiveness. This bill will help reduce the wait times for Temporary work Visa holders helping them assimilate faster in US society and thus securing the nations? interest.
There are reforms for this class of immigrants in the much debated comprehensive immigration Reform Bill passed by Senate but congress did not pass it. These provisions got lost in the shadow of illegal immigration debate and therefore separate bills were introduced by way of SKIL Act of 2006 to take care of the plight of Temporary visa holders. By clubbing the provisions for both legal and illegal population in one bill did much harm to this community as they were totally neglected by the congressmen. These people pay taxes, social security (unfortunately cannot be claimed once they leave this country), contribute to the social causes by volunteering, donating during emergencies and they very much feel themselves a part of this nation.
But the administration failed to reform current Visa availability issue which is doing much harm to the nation.
The public is expected to understand the plight of these people and pressurize congress to pass this bill and not misunderstand the other immigration bills pending in senate which are controversial. These people deserve credit and appreciation for helping this nation and definitely needs a much awaited attention from the public and Government.
Surendra K Suman
http://surendraksuman.blogspot.com/
________
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I have written this article on the plight of Work visa holders.Feel free to make editions.
Here it is..
Rewards of Being a Legal Immigrant!
The spirit of this nation had always been to award hard working and law abiding people irrespective of their color, race, culture or origin. But off late there has been a rise in the anti-immigration sentiment. One reason for this is an alarming rise in the illegal immigrants in United States estimated to be around 12 million. This has led many to believe that immigrants in general are not good for the already settled (Permanent residents and Citizens) Americans and they depress economy and put burden on the economy. This is a false notion harbored by many and needs analysis. First of all there is a vast difference between a legal and an illegal immigrant. A legal immigrant or people living temporary are here to help this nation make progress and are here to contribute to the economy of this nation. They have come here on the specific request by the companies; universities and other organizations. They are unnecessarily being victimized for their status as part of the larger immigrant community. They are the most misunderstood community today among the immigrants in general.
The temporary visitors largely are H-1 B, L-1 and Business visa holders .Many of these people are here for many years and waiting for their Green Card after having applied for it. While they continue to work for the same employer waiting for their permanent residency, they feel stagnated in their career path, salaries and even on personal development front because the law does not permit them to change employer while their green card is under process. If they do change then the whole process will have to start afresh.
As one frustrated and depressed work visa holder, Rajneesh puts it ?The plight of an immigrant can only be understood by those who are in the same shoes?. A legal immigrant who is in USA is only here on invitation by the US based companies or organizations willing to legally sponsor them for reasons that they do not have enough skilled professionals to do the job. The fate of being a person waiting in queue for a Green Card was never dreamt by me unless I was a victim of such a wait myself. The whole life revolves around waiting for just one card called green card. All the life?s plans are shelved off for some future dates. Many of them wait for settlement as they fear that buying a home or property or starting their own company may be at risk if their green Card is not approved or if they are out of status and in that case they may have to leave the country. There is a constant fear lurking in their psyche that what if they are laid off when they are waiting for their visa dates to become current so that they can apply for adjustment of status. Their dependent wives cannot work legally as law does not permit them to work while on dependent visa. These in many cases have resulted in domestic violence and depressed spouses resulting in disturbed and broken families.The spouses of these legal temporary residents stay at home and feel frustrated as they are also highly educated and can tremendously contribute to the development of the nation if given an opportunity. They feel choked as they have to plan well ahead in time for visits to home country and have to keep themselves abreast with latest immigration laws and by laws. A lack of this planning and understanding has resulted in many being denied entry while trying to re-enter. There are so many issues that they have to deal with being a temporary resident here just because they chose to come to America in search of realizing the American Dream. Most of them feel as if they made a wrong decision having come to America. This has sent a negative feedback in their native countries that America is no longer a welcoming nation for temporary work visa holders and one may have to wait up to more than ten years to get permanent residency. This feedback has turned many potential high tech and software professionals elsewhere. The current wait time in Canada and Australia is less than a year. European nations are also becoming a very welcoming society for these people. So the competition to secure them is getting hot.
While the wait becomes long the anxiety and depression starts to sets in most of the cases. Many have therefore already left this country and this is a drain on the economy as they are now a part of other nation?s economic development. Many of this class of people were educated in United States and were contributing but the immigration laws have forced them to go elsewhere. This class of people have advanced degrees from either US or other countries and have an average work experience of more than 3 years.They form the top class professionals among the populatoin and their loss is a loss to this nation.America is land of opportunity and for those willing to work hard for a better future should be rewarded and taken care of, but it seems there is no one listening right now to their voice. The spirit of America seems to be getting lost somewhere.
There are organization and groups like NumbersUSA who oppose any increase in their visa numbers which can drastically help these victims of bureaucracy, but due to their short sightedness they fail to see that the same people whom they are opposed to will help increase the economic well being of this nation once they become permanent residents. This is so because once they get permanent residency, they all will move up in the ladder demanding higher salaries and thus supporting the proponents of anti-immigrants view point. Right now they are all stuck in the same state for years. This may in some case lead to their exploitation which may in fact depress wages. Their short-sightedness, misinformation and vague propaganda have created an atmosphere where the na?ve public fails to understand the difference between the real benefactors and illegal immigrants. This has led public develop an overall anti-immigrant sentient.
Presently there is a bill pending in Senate called the SKIL bill (S.2691) introduced by senator John Cornyn (TX) Co-sponsored by George Allen (R, VA), Wayne Allard (CO), Bennett Robert (UT) and others. There is another related bill introduced by John Shadegg (AZ).This bill seeks to increase the annual visa caps for Immigrants visa under Employment category, exempt students who earned masters in USA, Allows to apply for Adjustment of Status even though there may not be immediate available Visa numbers. The bill is intended to secure the American competitiveness in 21st century while countries like India, China, Australia and European countries compete for skilled man power in Software and high tech sector to secure their competitiveness. This bill will help reduce the wait times for Temporary work Visa holders helping them assimilate faster in US society and thus securing the nations? interest.
There are reforms for this class of immigrants in the much debated comprehensive immigration Reform Bill passed by Senate but congress did not pass it. These provisions got lost in the shadow of illegal immigration debate and therefore separate bills were introduced by way of SKIL Act of 2006 to take care of the plight of Temporary visa holders. By clubbing the provisions for both legal and illegal population in one bill did much harm to this community as they were totally neglected by the congressmen. These people pay taxes, social security (unfortunately cannot be claimed once they leave this country), contribute to the social causes by volunteering, donating during emergencies and they very much feel themselves a part of this nation.
But the administration failed to reform current Visa availability issue which is doing much harm to the nation.
The public is expected to understand the plight of these people and pressurize congress to pass this bill and not misunderstand the other immigration bills pending in senate which are controversial. These people deserve credit and appreciation for helping this nation and definitely needs a much awaited attention from the public and Government.
Surendra K Suman
http://surendraksuman.blogspot.com/
________
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smc
07-23 09:45 PM
Am surprised that there is no communication from IV Core on this.
Desi Unlucky
09-11 09:50 PM
Here is my contribution.
Google Order #171518030739621 ($100)
Keep up the good work.
Google Order #171518030739621 ($100)
Keep up the good work.
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logiclife
03-13 01:35 PM
DUI and DWI are crimes that can get your greencard petition in trouble even today.
The only thing today, that will not jeopardize your Greencard application is minor traffic violations. DUI and DWI and not minor traffic violations.
These amendments are only enhancing it to DEPORT those who are found driving drunk. The irony is, if you are an immigrant either illegal waiting for amnesty or legal waiting for your labor/485, you are more likely to need a drink or two.
--logiclife.
The only thing today, that will not jeopardize your Greencard application is minor traffic violations. DUI and DWI and not minor traffic violations.
These amendments are only enhancing it to DEPORT those who are found driving drunk. The irony is, if you are an immigrant either illegal waiting for amnesty or legal waiting for your labor/485, you are more likely to need a drink or two.
--logiclife.
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gc_on_demand
06-10 11:16 AM
Please call CHC members ASAP.. takes only 10 minutes to call..
marwan234
08-10 02:10 PM
Sing it: "No checks no receipt...whatcha gonna do...whatcha gonna do when they come for you (Border control)"....Hey!! I'm legal!!!:D
5 weeks and nothing.....But i did get my H1/H4 8th yr receipts in a week.
5 weeks and nothing.....But i did get my H1/H4 8th yr receipts in a week.
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laksmi
12-27 09:19 AM
My AP was filed on July 2nd along with 485 but receipt shows Oct 1st, any how received AP approved notice on Oct 23rd to my communication address but the USCIS online status was not updated till now with the Approval statement but I have the approved document, when I called the customer service they said it will take 30 to 60 day to get updated.
Any how there is a printing mistake of my Name I have send back my AP original again to USCIS to get it corrected, it was there mistake and almost 40 days now I have not got any response on my AP till now.
Please comment if any one with such situation.
Thank you
Any how there is a printing mistake of my Name I have send back my AP original again to USCIS to get it corrected, it was there mistake and almost 40 days now I have not got any response on my AP till now.
Please comment if any one with such situation.
Thank you
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PD_Dec2002
06-02 10:27 PM
Ironical, isn't it? This diatribe coming from someone whose handle is "BigLoser"!! From which mushrooom did you crawl under?
Thanks, but no thanks!
Jayant
Thanks, but no thanks!
Jayant
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sertasheep
08-03 09:49 PM
Angel,
You can write to me at 'sertasheep AT immigrationvoice DOT org' or poll any of the techie members here on how to create a blog. The suggestions would be to create a blog on blogger.com with a google account, as several of the other blogs (iv-tristate, iv-physicians, etc.,) are all on blogger.com.
Please keep your profile updated so that we may contact you. We are glad to welcome Schedule A professionals into the IV community.
Please support "paskal"(physician) in his efforts as he will be able to liaise with policy makers and influencers in the healthcare segment. iv-physicians.blogspot.com is one such effort- don't let the name dissuade you. As long as there are people who are willing to champion a particular cause (provided it is aligned with IV's core objectives and agenda, you can help make a difference, and help yourself as well!)
Hey all,
hope you guys have visited the IV physicians blogspot.It is very good.One of the bloggers mentioned about supporting such a move, but the question is how do we start.I myself is technlogically challenged so we have to get the expertise of the IT people.I think we should start now.
You can write to me at 'sertasheep AT immigrationvoice DOT org' or poll any of the techie members here on how to create a blog. The suggestions would be to create a blog on blogger.com with a google account, as several of the other blogs (iv-tristate, iv-physicians, etc.,) are all on blogger.com.
Please keep your profile updated so that we may contact you. We are glad to welcome Schedule A professionals into the IV community.
Please support "paskal"(physician) in his efforts as he will be able to liaise with policy makers and influencers in the healthcare segment. iv-physicians.blogspot.com is one such effort- don't let the name dissuade you. As long as there are people who are willing to champion a particular cause (provided it is aligned with IV's core objectives and agenda, you can help make a difference, and help yourself as well!)
Hey all,
hope you guys have visited the IV physicians blogspot.It is very good.One of the bloggers mentioned about supporting such a move, but the question is how do we start.I myself is technlogically challenged so we have to get the expertise of the IT people.I think we should start now.
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saimrathi
08-10 03:25 PM
Congrats!! Please contribute to IV!
All 6 of our checks got cleared today below are the details
I-485/131/765 recd date: 2nd july 07
I-485/131/765 notice date: 06th Aug 07
Service Center send : NSC
I-140 approved : on 31-May-06, TSC
Got Recipts : NO
All 6 of our checks got cleared today below are the details
I-485/131/765 recd date: 2nd july 07
I-485/131/765 notice date: 06th Aug 07
Service Center send : NSC
I-140 approved : on 31-May-06, TSC
Got Recipts : NO
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gonecrazyonh4
04-25 12:46 PM
Tax returns can be filed by illegal immigrants too with an ITIN number.
Any rule that doesnot discriminate betweten legal and illegal immigrants would just increase our woes.
Any rule that doesnot discriminate betweten legal and illegal immigrants would just increase our woes.
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yabadaba
08-02 08:15 PM
Pappu...emailed it to u. Core IV let me knoe if u want it.
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12-01 12:05 PM
Approval, impossible. PD - June 6 2006, EB2-I.
RFE, I hope not.
What is everyone's opinion on travelling if there is an RFE or Denial? Does that immediately invalidate the AP?
And what if someone was overseas when the denial occured? Can they not come back in at all?
I have to travel outside the country for two weeks, leaving on Dec 17.
What I hate the most about this situation is that I have to worry like my life was at stake, for some guy's misinterpretation about my documentation, despite following the process to a Tee.
RFE, I hope not.
What is everyone's opinion on travelling if there is an RFE or Denial? Does that immediately invalidate the AP?
And what if someone was overseas when the denial occured? Can they not come back in at all?
I have to travel outside the country for two weeks, leaving on Dec 17.
What I hate the most about this situation is that I have to worry like my life was at stake, for some guy's misinterpretation about my documentation, despite following the process to a Tee.
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Green.Tech
06-10 12:15 AM
multiple year eads & ap - may or may not happen
visa recapture - no chance
visa increase - will not happen
still contribute??
�I am not judged by the number of times I fail, but by the number of times I succeed: and the number of times I succeed is in direct proportion to the number of times I fail and keep trying.�
For those who believe in this, please contribute to the cause...
visa recapture - no chance
visa increase - will not happen
still contribute??
�I am not judged by the number of times I fail, but by the number of times I succeed: and the number of times I succeed is in direct proportion to the number of times I fail and keep trying.�
For those who believe in this, please contribute to the cause...
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gc_chahiye
07-20 06:37 PM
July filers SCREAMED for the right to simultaneously file after the government realized they had to reneg on their bulletin precisely because they could NOT cope with these numbers. AILA screamed that it had to do it or they would sue.
Well it's done. Happy now?
I remember talking of how the all current bulletin was a big mistake in the first place because of the jam it would create and i was shot down for suggesting such a thing.
And now the massive backlog is the result.
You can't have your cake and eat it too.
No sooner do some get the right to file for EAD than they are bitching about how long it will take to get it.
I urge you to show some patience. Receipting alone is taking monumental amounts of time. So chill, focus on other things and enjoy whatever privileges you have.
Rampant speculation built on figures from people like Mathew Oh and assumptions about how and when resources are allocated to EAD processing are just one assumption built upon another. They do nothing but terrify people.
It's hard waiting. I came here in 2000. Still I wait. Almost 8 years now. And I hate it. But make no mistake about it. We are, for now at least, guests in this country and we have all, almost without exception, learned early in this process that there would be many frustrating delays.
One thing people forget is that the USCIS is WHOLLY self funded. This pre-fee-raise deluge just knocked 250 million out of the operating budget. And we wanted it that way. Now, sadly, we'll need to show some patience.
Perhaps with a little luck, they will again introduce interim EADs from local SA offices. Keep your fingers crossed.
thats one way to look at it. The other way to see this is that:
- given enough people making noise its possible to get DOS/USCIS to make changes and fix things. this has now been proven.
-there is a lot more visibility for EB related issues now, so much better chance of recapture or exemption for spouses from VB calculations etc.
- instead of focus being on filing 485 without visa numbers (which is what IV focussed on for a while) everyone will now focus right at the root of the problem. All 500K are now focussed on solving the main issue.
Well it's done. Happy now?
I remember talking of how the all current bulletin was a big mistake in the first place because of the jam it would create and i was shot down for suggesting such a thing.
And now the massive backlog is the result.
You can't have your cake and eat it too.
No sooner do some get the right to file for EAD than they are bitching about how long it will take to get it.
I urge you to show some patience. Receipting alone is taking monumental amounts of time. So chill, focus on other things and enjoy whatever privileges you have.
Rampant speculation built on figures from people like Mathew Oh and assumptions about how and when resources are allocated to EAD processing are just one assumption built upon another. They do nothing but terrify people.
It's hard waiting. I came here in 2000. Still I wait. Almost 8 years now. And I hate it. But make no mistake about it. We are, for now at least, guests in this country and we have all, almost without exception, learned early in this process that there would be many frustrating delays.
One thing people forget is that the USCIS is WHOLLY self funded. This pre-fee-raise deluge just knocked 250 million out of the operating budget. And we wanted it that way. Now, sadly, we'll need to show some patience.
Perhaps with a little luck, they will again introduce interim EADs from local SA offices. Keep your fingers crossed.
thats one way to look at it. The other way to see this is that:
- given enough people making noise its possible to get DOS/USCIS to make changes and fix things. this has now been proven.
-there is a lot more visibility for EB related issues now, so much better chance of recapture or exemption for spouses from VB calculations etc.
- instead of focus being on filing 485 without visa numbers (which is what IV focussed on for a while) everyone will now focus right at the root of the problem. All 500K are now focussed on solving the main issue.
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mhathi
07-18 05:39 PM
Both me and My wife were really impressed by the excellent work IV has done and achieved. I have made a contribution (albeit small) in the past, and will very much like to sign up for recurring contributions. We pledge to contribute $50 monthly as soon as my Wife gets her EAD. We were intending to signup for $20/month right away, to upgrade to $50/month on getting her EAD but I do not see that option anymore.
Anyways, my pledge still stands effective on the day we receive my wife's EAD.
Anyways, my pledge still stands effective on the day we receive my wife's EAD.
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apt29
06-11 01:06 PM
If you do not mind, have you donated to IV?
It is not a big deal dude...if not for this immigration system, we could be making even more..think about $80-$100/hr if you are an independent contractor. This a minimum for a decent contract with vendor directly.
And if you have ~100-200K for investments, with some experience and any luck..you could be making another 100K out of it from trading and active investing in other areas. That comes to ~250-300K minimum. There are no bounds when life is free and in this great country. Unfortunately, things have turned discriminative and our potentials are being restricted(atleast for non-EAD guys) and you have to be prepared for getting outright kicked out of this country.
It is not a big deal dude...if not for this immigration system, we could be making even more..think about $80-$100/hr if you are an independent contractor. This a minimum for a decent contract with vendor directly.
And if you have ~100-200K for investments, with some experience and any luck..you could be making another 100K out of it from trading and active investing in other areas. That comes to ~250-300K minimum. There are no bounds when life is free and in this great country. Unfortunately, things have turned discriminative and our potentials are being restricted(atleast for non-EAD guys) and you have to be prepared for getting outright kicked out of this country.
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praky
09-11 04:30 PM
Count me in. I think effort will be worth if we have more IV members participating.
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hopefullegalimmigrant
01-07 04:19 PM
I am going to use AP as my backup> I will be going in for H stamping in India
paskal
08-01 11:24 PM
Hey all,
hope you guys have visited the IV physicians blogspot.It is very good.One of the bloggers mentioned about supporting such a move, but the question is how do we start.I myself is technlogically challenged so we have to get the expertise of the IT people.I think we should start now.
folks,
i'm not a techie either, but creating a blogspot is very easy
the site is practically pre made
you just choose your templates and features
try it.. we would be happy to carry a link to "iv-schedule a" on the physicians blogspot
hope you guys have visited the IV physicians blogspot.It is very good.One of the bloggers mentioned about supporting such a move, but the question is how do we start.I myself is technlogically challenged so we have to get the expertise of the IT people.I think we should start now.
folks,
i'm not a techie either, but creating a blogspot is very easy
the site is practically pre made
you just choose your templates and features
try it.. we would be happy to carry a link to "iv-schedule a" on the physicians blogspot
logiclife
07-05 05:07 PM
Spoke to Congresswoman Office personnel in CA . Congresswoman Eshoo office staff and Congresswoman Lofgren office staff. Going to contact Senator Clinton. I had contributed towards her Presidential Campaign.
Going to meet Congress Congresswoman Eshoo staff next week.
Do you have your 485 approved ? If not, you are not supposed to contribute to any political campaigns. You have to be a GC holder or citizen to contribute to political campaigns. Its illegal otherwise.
Going to meet Congress Congresswoman Eshoo staff next week.
Do you have your 485 approved ? If not, you are not supposed to contribute to any political campaigns. You have to be a GC holder or citizen to contribute to political campaigns. Its illegal otherwise.
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